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| paulr_ | rombert: it's gonna get a bit silly when we start having multiple tools spamming stuff | 14:47 |
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| rombert | paulr_: do you mean travis notifications? | 14:48 |
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| travis-ci | [travis-ci] mantisbt/mantisbt#10 (master - 819e607 : Robert Munteanu): The build passed. | 14:48 |
| travis-ci | [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/mantisbt/mantisbt/compare/527e272d34b3...819e60771f9e | 14:48 |
| travis-ci | [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/mantisbt/mantisbt/builds/9070450 | 14:48 |
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| paulr_ | yea | 14:48 |
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| travis-ci | [travis-ci] mantisbt/mantisbt#11 (master-1.2.x - 644d6a6 : Robert Munteanu): The build passed. | 14:49 |
| travis-ci | [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/mantisbt/mantisbt/compare/812811fad745...644d6a619246 | 14:49 |
| travis-ci | [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/mantisbt/mantisbt/builds/9070453 | 14:49 |
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| rombert | ok then, I can revert until we agree to a notification scheme | 14:49 |
| paulr_ | although tbh, it might just be easier for me to fork mantis 2 into it's own branch | 14:50 |
| paulr_ | could then use production releases at work | 14:50 |
| paulr_ | and not have to worry | 14:50 |
| paulr_ | victor doesn't code on mantis anymore | 14:50 |
| paulr_ | and I have no interest in the 1.2.x branch anymore as adodb does not work on mssql | 14:51 |
| paulr_ | you care about soap, atrol cares about user support but tends not to code much and dregad gets to be in the middle :) | 14:51 |
| rombert | yeah, we have the old problem that we don't have focus | 14:52 |
| paulr_ | tbh, reason I dont like build spam is at some point | 14:53 |
| paulr_ | you get to the point where it goes | 14:53 |
| paulr_ | "build failed" | 14:53 |
| paulr_ | "build still failing" | 14:53 |
| paulr_ | "build still failing" | 14:54 |
| paulr_ | which is fine if people are gonna watch it | 14:54 |
| paulr_ | but equally, we might let a build fail for a week | 14:54 |
| paulr_ | and tbh, my primary focus for mantis is get rid of adodb | 14:55 |
| paulr_ | i'm just not willing to spend the time porting the db api changes for a 3rd time | 14:56 |
| rombert | well, we can have different notification schemes for different branches | 14:56 |
| rombert | when you have something that works , even on your own branch, people will be happier to port it on master/master-1.2.x instead of hacking ADODB | 14:57 |
| rombert | and then the build will help us catch regressions | 14:57 |
| paulr_ | the db stuff works atm | 14:57 |
| paulr_ | even dregads' 1.3x 'attempt to make a working branch' he spent a fair chunk of time pulling back out the language api changes I did - https://github.com/dregad/mantisbt/commit/52dc447359aff3cc815191004023004c88aa835c | 14:59 |
| paulr_ | that stuff was a backwards compatible performance enhancement | 14:59 |
| paulr_ | ==> no need to remove | 14:59 |
| paulr_ | apart from that fact it takes ages to put back in | 14:59 |
| rombert | I guess you need to talk to him about it; I know little about that | 15:00 |
| paulr_ | going through mantis doing db_query or lang_get changes across whole of mantis basically takes a week or two of effort to do + test | 15:00 |
| paulr_ | i've done lang_get strings to lang_get arrays [backwards compatible, faster] to __ngettext as dhx wanted gettext stuff | 15:01 |
| paulr_ | and done db_query_bound->db_query_ new db api format | 15:01 |
| paulr_ | that's basically a month or two's work | 15:01 |
| paulr_ | equals, it's worth me investing 20 hours of work helping each person in the dev team port stuff they've done to 2.x | 15:03 |
| paulr_ | and equally 20 hours of time asking why they are not doing that | 15:03 |
| paulr_ | given the size of our dev team, I suspect at the end i'd have about a week of sunbathing in the garden left over | 15:04 |
| paulr_ | and a 2nd week to test 2.x | 15:04 |
| paulr_ | and yes, lack of focus is killing us | 15:05 |
| rombert | I guess people aren't extremely confident in 2.x. Why don't you set up a demo site somewhere, and outline what people need to do to port stuff to it? | 15:05 |
| rombert | would be much more hands-on | 15:05 |
| paulr_ | i might in a week | 15:05 |
| rombert | would also be good to know the point where you split off, so we know what to port | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | got 3 weeks off work from 24th | 15:06 |
| rombert | ok | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | and as dad's not well, gonna be staying around home | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | in terms of point it split off | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | that's a mess now | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | as some stuff got proted already | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | some stuff doesn't apply | 15:06 |
| paulr_ | and people have done more then just bugfixes | 15:07 |
| paulr_ | in some cases I think we even have same new feature implemented in two different ways | 15:07 |
| paulr_ | I gave up a month or two ago at trying to track the differences | 15:08 |
| paulr_ | probably the easiest method would be to just reopen the bugs on the tracker, set them to a new status | 15:09 |
| paulr_ | and go through testing them one at a time | 15:09 |
| rombert | I wouldn't like that :-) | 15:10 |
| rombert | since these bugs are actually fixed | 15:10 |
| rombert | but ... perhaps we can create a new project - mantisbt 2 | 15:11 |
| paulr_ | well, clone them all | 15:11 |
| rombert | yes, and clone them to a new project | 15:11 |
| paulr_ | tbh, we should move mantisbt.org away from VPS | 15:11 |
| paulr_ | as that just breaks | 15:11 |
| paulr_ | and no one seems to care to fix | 15:11 |
| paulr_ | and set up some new hosting | 15:11 |
| rombert | https://www.openshift.com/ seems interesting | 15:12 |
| rombert | we would be able to run MantisBT + MySQL for free | 15:13 |
| paulr_ | i've got a server with 32gb of ram or whatever I pay for to play minecraft on, but tbh, whilst I could run stuff off that, and it would be fast and reliable, that's harder to share between people then a vps | 15:14 |
| paulr_ | if you get drift | 15:14 |
| paulr_ | my main concern actually with things like this is | 15:15 |
| paulr_ | if ever anything happened to whoever hosts server | 15:15 |
| paulr_ | we suddenly lose db + domain + everything | 15:15 |
| paulr_ | whether that's victor, you, me ,damien whoever | 15:15 |
| paulr_ | food - brb | 15:16 |
| rombert | yeah, I agree on that stuff with the server. And that's typically why I push open source stuff on forges | 15:17 |
| rombert | for instance - why not host docs and website on github? | 15:17 |
| rombert | all we need to 'maintain' then in the domain name | 15:17 |
| paulr_ | tbh, I do like self hosting stuff in some cases | 15:38 |
| paulr_ | but need to make sure you've got your bases covered | 15:38 |
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