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| paradoxum | Hi everybody | 00:36 |
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| paradoxum | Is there a way to put a custom design to this tool to let it look a little more "fancy"? | 00:38 |
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| GitHub | [mantisbt] dregad pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/PGzmwQ | 08:22 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master 440ac7c Damien Regad: Fix syntax error | 08:22 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master f0885d9 Damien Regad: Simplify code and fix system notice in Timeline... | 08:22 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master c593f90 Damien Regad: Fix 'Undefined index: _stats' notice in bug API... | 08:22 |
| GitHub | [mantisbt] dregad pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/gFhdrw | 08:35 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master 4ef0e69 Murray Crane: Detect and block conflicting edits... | 08:35 |
| Kunda | 401: github No such nick/channel | 08:36 |
| Kunda | ? | 08:36 |
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| GitHub | [mantisbt] dregad pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/1XJ-9w | 09:04 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master 4fbd340 Paul Richards: Fix invalid enumeration string value display... | 09:04 |
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| GitHub | [mantisbt] dregad pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/pp_mGQ | 10:36 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master c2513b1 Damien Regad: Logging API: fix array to string conversion notice... | 10:36 |
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| GitHub | [mantisbt] dregad pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/ricVeg | 13:17 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master adafb1c Damien Regad: Revert use of (bool) typecast... | 13:17 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master 1a44434 Damien Regad: Consistently use db_prepare_bool() for boolean columns... | 13:17 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master e48ac09 Damien Regad: Update constants to be consistent with underlying db column type... | 13:17 |
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| GitHub | [mantisbt] dregad pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EfFs5Q | 14:06 |
| GitHub | mantisbt/master 64af35e Damien Regad: Revert inadvertant update of ADOdb submodule... | 14:06 |
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| dregad | paulr i'm here but briefly | 14:11 |
| dregad | just realized i f***ed up | 14:11 |
| paulr | re: db_prepare_bool - i know about that - think we can actually handle it within db_query_Bound as is hence my change although I didn't communicate that | 14:12 |
| paulr | I'm still trying to work out what you did with submodule and why it's a problem? | 14:12 |
| * paulr thought dregad wanted to update submodule? | 14:12 | |
| dregad | when I committed adafb1c | 14:12 |
| dregad | I did 'git add .' | 14:12 |
| dregad | so it updated the submodule | 14:12 |
| dregad | but that was not intentional | 14:12 |
| dregad | as the submodule update belongs in adodb branch | 14:12 |
| dregad | and requires other fixes to work | 14:12 |
| paulr | ahh i see | 14:12 |
| dregad | so i just reverted that | 14:12 |
| dregad | that'll teach me to do things in a rush | 14:13 |
| dregad | the rest is fine | 14:13 |
| dregad | so basically i did what you wanted, i.e. split the 3 disticnt changes in adodb pull request | 14:13 |
| dregad | 1. pgsql changes | 14:13 |
| dregad | (boolean stuff) | 14:13 |
| dregad | 2. logging api | 14:13 |
| dregad | 3. adodb | 14:13 |
| paulr | yea, hoping we can fix the boolean stuff within db query bound but that's another thing | 14:14 |
| dregad | the last bit needs rework due to your changes of db_query_bound() | 14:14 |
| paulr | do you want to see what the firebug thing looks like? | 14:14 |
| dregad | i can see it locally now | 14:14 |
| paulr | ahh ok :) | 14:14 |
| dregad | i never used it before really | 14:14 |
| paulr | I've not used it recently | 14:14 |
| paulr | I used to use it a lot | 14:14 |
| paulr | as it was cleaner then the table at bottom of webpage | 14:14 |
| paulr | i.e. could see debug output without messing up page | 14:15 |
| dregad | well i tend to log to file | 14:15 |
| dregad | and have a terminal window with tail -f | 14:15 |
| paulr | victor's dude did some nice work on design | 14:15 |
| dregad | yes i like it a lot overall | 14:15 |
| paulr | it would have been nice to get a list mail first | 14:15 |
| dregad | i don't mind | 14:16 |
| dregad | I have no major objections to his architectural choices | 14:16 |
| dregad | and i prefer to base the discussion on something concrete | 14:16 |
| paulr | yea, bootstrap = what everyone uses | 14:16 |
| dregad | rather than abstract high-level discussions not leading anywhere | 14:17 |
| paulr | I recall reading a few months ago that boostrap wasn't very good on mobile devices | 14:17 |
| paulr | but I think that's been 'fixed' with 3 | 14:17 |
| dregad | I have never used bootsrap myself | 14:17 |
| paulr | I'm quite keen when we do a redesign that it works on mobile devices out the box as well as web browsers | 14:17 |
| dregad | absolutely | 14:18 |
| dregad | BTW travis build fixed now on master | 14:18 |
| paulr | MantisTouch being something that you'd use as a security layer thing | 14:18 |
| paulr | btw, the missing timeline semi-colon, was that me? | 14:18 |
| dregad | didn't check - i just fixed it | 14:18 |
| paulr | I spotted 1 other type of $total -> $t_total in what is final batch | 14:19 |
| paulr | and then I promise i'm done ;) | 14:19 |
| paulr | my plan to push ruleset for codesniffer turned into not getting home form work until 10pm every night last week | 14:20 |
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| paulr | I got home from work on friday early (at 8pm), sat down in front of PC and fell asleep | 14:20 |
| paulr | do you ever talk to rombert not on irc? | 14:20 |
| paulr | erm email | 14:20 |
| dregad | yeah it was you: https://github.com/mantisbt/mantisbt/blame/5458f702/core/classes/MantisColumn.class.php#L54 | 14:21 |
| dregad | re: rombert - rarely | 14:22 |
| paulr | he was supposed to be sending a mail about soap api | 14:22 |
| dregad | he's been busy lately, between work and having another kid | 14:22 |
| paulr | I asked him about fixing some stuff / changing in SOAP api and think he basically said scrap it | 14:23 |
| dregad | gotta go | 14:23 |
| paulr | he was gonna send an email about that chat as I wanted itt o be clear | 14:24 |
| dregad | might be back later, not sure | 14:24 |
| paulr | cua later | 14:24 |
| paulr | i'm gonna try and get code style stuff finalised tongiht | 14:24 |
| paulr | and build process | 14:24 |
| paulr | i'll mail/write | 14:24 |
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| dregad | paulr i'm back for 30 min or so | 17:17 |
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| dregad | paulr you there ? | 17:37 |
| jreese | dregad: how goes it? :) | 17:39 |
| dregad | hi john | 17:40 |
| dregad | i'm fine thanks | 17:40 |
| dregad | still job hunting though | 17:40 |
| jreese | sorry to hear that | 17:40 |
| dregad | you ? | 17:42 |
| jreese | doing well | 17:42 |
| jreese | always busy here | 17:42 |
| jreese | trying to find a house though, which is crazy in this market | 17:42 |
| jreese | I could buy a "mansion" in my hometown in Ohio for the price of a tiny shack out here... | 17:43 |
| dregad | reminds me of when i was thinking about relocating to boston | 17:44 |
| dregad | and i thought geneva was expensive | 17:44 |
| jreese | lol | 17:44 |
| jreese | yeah, the three most expensive cities in the US are New York, San Francisco, and Boston | 17:44 |
| dregad | go see mark, ask for a raise and buy that mansion, man ;) | 17:45 |
| jreese | lol | 17:45 |
| jreese | I wish it was that easy | 17:45 |
| dregad | ok, v2... hack mark's e-mail, send a mail to HR, get a raise | 17:46 |
| dregad | how's that sound ? | 17:46 |
| jreese | more complicated and prone to getting fired than I'm confortable with :P | 17:46 |
| dregad | chicken | 17:50 |
| dregad | ;) | 17:50 |
| dregad | you're left with going to Vegas then | 17:50 |
| dregad | that might be fun, even | 17:50 |
| jreese | we want to stay in the bay area :P | 17:51 |
| jreese | otherwise we'd probably already be living somewhere cheaper | 17:51 |
| dregad | finding the right house (at a decent price) is always difficult to say the least | 17:54 |
| jreese | atm, we're more worried about finding *anything* at a price we can afford... :'( | 17:56 |
| dregad | ouch | 17:56 |
| dregad | that bad | 17:56 |
| jreese | wouldn't be a problem if I didn't still have a pile of student loan debt that I have to pay every month | 17:56 |
| jreese | could easily afford something that way | 17:57 |
| dregad | ah yes the joys of cheap US universities | 18:00 |
| dregad | many of my friends went to the army to pay for college | 18:00 |
| jreese | yeah, I have a friend that did the same, but then that means you have to be in the army for four years... | 18:02 |
| dregad | yep... | 18:02 |
| dregad | one of my buddies went to Irak even :( | 18:03 |
| jreese | yeah, my friend ended up in Afghanistan | 18:03 |
| jreese | no thanks | 18:03 |
| dregad | no shit | 18:03 |
| dregad | does your lady work too ? | 18:05 |
| jreese | yeah, but without a degree or "prior experience", she can't really get much more than a receptionist position, and for the same student loan reason, we can't really afford for her to get a degree either | 18:06 |
| jreese | student financial aid only ever looks at total household income, not income/debt ratio or local cost of living or anything useful like that | 18:07 |
| dregad | it would be too easy | 18:08 |
| dregad | if it makes you feel better, sometimes a degree does not help | 18:08 |
| jreese | "oh, you make six figures? you can obviously afford to pay the full tuition, ignoring the fact that rent alone costs you $30k a year | 18:09 |
| dregad | i have a friend, graduated in international studies, speaks 5 or 6 languages, can't get more than a glorified executive assistant job | 18:09 |
| dregad | that's what you get for being a (not so good-looking) girl in today's job market | 18:09 |
| jreese | dregad: true, but even worse is when you're completely qualified for a position, and they need people to fill that position, but they refuse to even call you back because you don't have a piece of paper that says you spent obscene amounts of money to sit in class for two or more years... | 18:10 |
| dregad | i was not referring to your wife with the looks comment btw | 18:10 |
| jreese | I assumed :P | 18:11 |
| * dregad sighs of relief | 18:11 | |
| dregad | you know, looking at job offers for the past 6 months or so | 18:12 |
| dregad | it seems you can't get anything without having a master's these days | 18:12 |
| dregad | in IT I mean | 18:12 |
| jreese | the sad part is that even with her experience as a receptionist, and past experience as a mail-order pharmacy tech, she still can't even get people to call her back about half of the receptionist positions she applies for | 18:12 |
| dregad | and you can shove your 20 years of experience up your arse | 18:12 |
| dregad | yeah it sucks | 18:13 |
| jreese | that's pretty much what I went through when I graduated, and had already been working in the industry for three years; everybody was looking for "senior" positions because it was a recession and they wanted to get more experienced workers at half cost | 18:13 |
| jreese | took me five months to get a reasonable interview, let alone get an offer | 18:14 |
| jreese | it was a good thing I'd built up savings while I was in school | 18:15 |
| jreese | had to cash in the 401k I'd built up too | 18:15 |
| dregad | 401k is the retirement pension fund, right ? | 18:16 |
| jreese | yeah | 18:17 |
| jreese | you can cash it out early, but you take a big tax hit because it's pre-tax investment | 18:17 |
| dregad | we got similar thing here | 18:20 |
| dregad | but you can only take it out to buy a house | 18:20 |
| paulr | dregad: moo | 18:20 |
| paulr | was here but client didn't beep | 18:21 |
| paulr | [23:03:08] <dregad> one of my buddies went to Irak even :( | 18:21 |
| paulr | [23:03:27] <jreese> yeah, my friend ended up in Afghanistan | 18:21 |
| paulr | I sooo misread that | 18:21 |
| dregad | oh so paulr didn't fall asleep after all | 18:21 |
| * paulr read that as "one of my buddies woke up in iraq" | 18:21 | |
| jreese | close enough | 18:22 |
| paulr | someone at work's friend apparently | 18:22 |
| paulr | when they were younger used to drink whiskey/vodka/whatever and go to his car (they used ot hide car keys or whatver) | 18:22 |
| paulr | one day apparently woke up 200 miles away at other end of UK and couldn't remember how he got there with an empty bottle in car | 18:23 |
| dregad | did they steal his kidneys too ? ;) | 18:23 |
| paulr | anyway, I digress | 18:23 |
| paulr | dunno but if you seen UK roads | 18:23 |
| paulr | getting anywhere is fun :P | 18:23 |
| paulr | anyway, | 18:24 |
| paulr | i've got one final commit on code formatting once i test it | 18:24 |
| paulr | think I actually fix a couple of issues that got by in first pass | 18:25 |
| paulr | or more, got lost in spam output of stuff I didn't want to fix from rules as rules needed tidying | 18:25 |
| paulr | and then I need to see if i can get that testing thing you guys like to work | 18:25 |
| paulr | erm, whatever website it's called :) | 18:25 |
| paulr | -- | 18:26 |
| paulr | in terms of db_prepare_bool/query_bound, damien, if you look, there's actually some historical logic for trying to handle bools (printing more so) | 18:26 |
| paulr | i'm kinda hoping we can use that idea/concept and drop db_prepare_bool | 18:26 |
| paulr | as that'll be a better fix for a) future b) for plugins, as our documentation for ages basically says we depcreated the db_prepare stuff since 1.2 | 18:27 |
| dregad | i'm fine with that, but whatever you do, do it in one go and make sure it does not break postgres or oracle | 18:27 |
| paulr | (in fact, even goes further to say, we were gonna remove the function in 1.2) | 18:27 |
| paulr | http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/londonm25/trafficcameras/highwaysagency/14265 << that's motorway at 23:30 near me - hardly completely quiet | 18:27 |
| * paulr nods | 18:27 | |
| dregad | consequently, it's probably something to bundle with the new db layer in 2.x | 18:27 |
| paulr | I think we can do it before safely | 18:28 |
| paulr | as a side note, given rafik mock up idea today | 18:28 |
| dregad | fine, submit a pull request then | 18:29 |
| paulr | we need to work out what we doing with 1.3 | 18:29 |
| dregad | on the similar topic, i've been trying to fix the ADOdb::Execute vs db_query_bound null => false thing | 18:29 |
| paulr | (that should be easy) | 18:30 |
| dregad | Now that you're added type hinting to db_query bound | 18:30 |
| paulr | i'm tempted to say set query_bound to array() | 18:30 |
| dregad | that only leaves us with callers passing 'null' | 18:30 |
| paulr | and always pass in empty array | 18:30 |
| dregad | that's what I was going to ask you | 18:30 |
| dregad | option 1: array $p_arr_parms = null (i.e. as you have it now) | 18:31 |
| paulr | I'm *hoping* we can improve stuff for end users be documenting/simplifying types | 18:31 |
| paulr | some of the functions took me 2-3 attmepts to actually get the types right myself ;) | 18:31 |
| dregad | and we add a if( is_null( $param )) $param = array(); | 18:31 |
| dregad | option 2: array $p_arr_parms = array() | 18:31 |
| dregad | and refactor every call in Mantis that passes null to send array() instead | 18:32 |
| dregad | I don't think there's that many cases actually | 18:32 |
| paulr | there's about 8 max | 18:32 |
| dregad | so option 2 might be best | 18:32 |
| paulr | option 2 simplifies code | 18:33 |
| paulr | or at least, is more logical to user | 18:33 |
| paulr | you either do: | 18:33 |
| paulr | db_query_bound(x) | 18:33 |
| paulr | db_query_bound(x, array()) | 18:33 |
| paulr | db_query_bound(x, array(Y,Z)) | 18:33 |
| paulr | where 1+2 mean same thing | 18:33 |
| dregad | yea | 18:33 |
| paulr | much better/simpler for people to remember then this null/false crap :) | 18:34 |
| dregad | option 1 is the same, except you have the option to do | 18:34 |
| dregad | db_query_bound(x, null) | 18:34 |
| dregad | and the function changes that to array() | 18:34 |
| dregad | so we have backwards compatibility (also with plugins) | 18:34 |
| paulr | side note 2: at some point we should s/db_bound/db/ | 18:35 |
| paulr | I expect the number of plugins passing null|false to db_query_bound is ~0 | 18:35 |
| dregad | EventLog/EventLog_api.php: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null, $p_per_page, $t_offset ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | EventLog/EventLog_api.php: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | mantweet/.git/rr-cache/6bdfbd930a42f834065d85b36f2b0c9a77b3cbdb/preimage: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null, $p_per_page, $t_offset ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | mantweet/.git/rr-cache/6bdfbd930a42f834065d85b36f2b0c9a77b3cbdb/preimage: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | mantweet/.git/rr-cache/6bdfbd930a42f834065d85b36f2b0c9a77b3cbdb/preimage: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null, 1 ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | mantweet/mantweet_api.php: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null, $p_per_page, $t_offset ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | mantweet/mantweet_api.php: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | mantweet/mantweet_api.php: $t_result = db_query_bound( $t_query, null, 1 ); | 18:36 |
| dregad | so it's not 0 | 18:37 |
| paulr | my biggest question atm, is we probably need to consider whether we actually want a 1.3 release | 18:37 |
| * paulr nods | 18:37 | |
| dregad | and that does not cover the case where params are assigned in a variable, or on multiple lines | 18:37 |
| paulr | nod | 18:37 |
| dregad | i strongly believe we need 1.3 | 18:37 |
| dregad | get it out of the way | 18:37 |
| paulr | nod | 18:38 |
| dregad | and give a last "old-stle" update to users | 18:38 |
| dregad | then we focus on new stuff | 18:38 |
| paulr | I was expecting us to start looking at updating mantis design in 2.0/after 1.3 | 18:38 |
| paulr | didn't realise we'd 'looked' :P | 18:38 |
| dregad | me neither, but that was a nice surprise actually | 18:38 |
| * paulr nods | 18:38 | |
| dregad | and BTW I didn't realize "we" looked :P | 18:39 |
| paulr | I'm hoping i was fairly polite in being positive whilst playing word games over "we are 100% behind bootstrap" | 18:40 |
| dregad | you're just being an ass | 18:40 |
| paulr | :) | 18:40 |
| dregad | he did good work | 18:40 |
| dregad | and honestly, would you really want something else ? | 18:41 |
| dregad | personally I don't care | 18:41 |
| paulr | tbh, I want a UI that works out the box on a mobile phone | 18:41 |
| paulr | as well as a PC | 18:41 |
| dregad | I'll check it out from the phone and tablet when i have some time | 18:41 |
| paulr | before bootstrap 3, I think 2 got some hassle for not being mobile friendly | 18:41 |
| paulr | i'm assuming that's a legacy thing | 18:42 |
| dregad | but in theory bootstrap 3.x is designed from ground up to be mobile-ready | 18:42 |
| paulr | what i'd more have liked to have seen was a more public discussion | 18:42 |
| paulr | we've got some users that have come along with design befores | 18:42 |
| paulr | and have good ideas (after all, they use it daily) | 18:42 |
| dregad | i know but that never went anywhere | 18:43 |
| paulr | it would be nice to have got some input from them early on | 18:43 |
| paulr | for instance, side bar vs top navigation | 18:43 |
| paulr | both can work, both are good/nice | 18:43 |
| dregad | re: mobile support http://getbootstrap.com/css/#overview-mobile | 18:44 |
| paulr | http://phabricator.org/ for instance makes good use of the side bar navigation type thing | 18:44 |
| dregad | on pc i like the side bar because screens are wider than high | 18:44 |
| * jreese likes phabricator for code review | 18:44 | |
| dregad | but on mobile phone in portrait mode, top-menu is better | 18:45 |
| paulr | trac for instance ( http://trac.edgewall.org/report ) keeps things in a top naivigation style like mantis | 18:45 |
| jreese | I'm probably biased though since it was originally created for use at Facebook :P | 18:45 |
| dregad | i hate trak | 18:45 |
| paulr | in any case, whilst I do think we need to get 1.3 finalised within the next couple of weeks | 18:46 |
| paulr | I'm starting to wonder how long 1.3 might last | 18:47 |
| paulr | and whilst it might seem a strange approach | 18:47 |
| paulr | my going through with phpcodesniffer rules and trying to standardise was to actually make 1.3 last longer by stopping you+me fiddling with layout sometimes :) | 18:47 |
| paulr | (as we both have a bit of a habit to do that, probably you more often on a small scale, and me slightly less often but on a large scale) | 18:48 |
| dregad | 1.3 still makes sense as an incremental update with maximized compatibility so users can benefit from new features without risking to break everything they have | 18:49 |
| * paulr nods | 18:49 | |
| paulr | I was planning on: | 18:49 |
| * paulr sighs | 18:49 | |
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| paulr | right, my rough idea i was planning on seeing how far i could get through was: | 18:50 |
| paulr | a) standardise code | 18:50 |
| paulr | b) make it part of build | 18:50 |
| paulr | c) see if I can do any of the db query syntax in a way that's backwards compatible [ to reduce patchset a bit] | 18:51 |
| paulr | d) for 'next', I wrote a plugin that moved custom functions to plugin events - dig that code out and update | 18:51 |
| paulr | e) update other branches/PR for a-b above | 18:52 |
| paulr | but then, we have moving goal posts | 18:53 |
| paulr | and realistically, we need to pick a date in 2 weeks time for 1.3alpha lets say | 18:56 |
| paulr | or something | 18:56 |
| paulr | otherwise we'll keep moving | 18:56 |
| dregad | I'm doing as much as I can, but I can't commit on time | 18:56 |
| dregad | because of job hunt mostly (and some vacation too) | 18:57 |
| paulr | nod | 18:57 |
| paulr | i think my point was more | 18:57 |
| paulr | we've got an issue tracker with 20023233232 issues in | 18:57 |
| paulr | we've got 4-5 people with various amounts of time and 5894854 ideas | 18:57 |
| dregad | Anyway if you don't further object to merging ADOdb after the changes I'm hoping to submit tonight for review, we should be almost ready | 18:57 |
| paulr | tbh, just commit the adodb | 18:58 |
| paulr | as what you had before was fine | 18:58 |
| paulr | and what you do tonight is gonna sync it up | 18:58 |
| paulr | and we've concluded we want array() and to simplify | 18:58 |
| paulr | as I say, i'm gonna stop fiddling with whitespace and naming of variables and brackets soon | 18:59 |
| paulr | at which point, that's list email to say tell me if i've misunderstood any formatting or missed anything | 19:00 |
| paulr | some work to make sure other people can run what I've been using to format/tidy codebase (otherwise i'm gonna be permanently busy) | 19:00 |
| paulr | and then i'll probably move on to seeing if I can break up some patches i've written before into chunks for review | 19:00 |
| paulr | and that task is either digging the holes for the new goal posts or lengthening the lifetime of 1.3 depending on how you look at it | 19:03 |
| paulr | right, I need sleep | 19:06 |
| paulr | i'm estimating tomorrow night or wednesday night i'll have finished going over code/naming | 19:09 |
| paulr | tomorrow night = if I don't end up at work until 9pm | 19:09 |
| paulr | wednesday if i do | 19:09 |
| paulr | *gone* | 19:12 |
| dregad | nite | 19:12 |
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